Hope my question isn't too blunt but what issues do you have with the way
Foucault is interpreted in IR?
I had the feeling (from my classes) he was treated as a social
constructionist in that field.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Nicholas J. Kiersey <
nicholaskiersey@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Claudius,
>
> I invite you (and anyone else) to have a look at a piece I have had
> published recently in the journal New Political Science. It comes from
> an International Relations/IPE perspective, and uses these new
> writings to address some issues I have with how Foucault is
> interpreted in IR. Some of it might be a little off topic for this
> list, but the section on Birth of Biopolitics might be interesting for
> you.
>
> Scale, Security, and Political Economy: Debating the Biopolitics of
> the Global War on Terror
> New Political Science,31:1,27 — 47
> URL: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/07393140802693865
>
> Yours,
>
> Nicholas
>
> PS: I can send you the PDF offlist -
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:28, claudius wrote:
>
> > Hi David, hi everybody,
> >
> > its good to hear that the birth of biopolitcs is finally out in
> > english. It
> > has been a pleasure to read for me some years ago, because it is a
> > lot about
> > ordo-liberals and neoclassic economists (who are favourite enemys of
> > mine).
> > Are there some new readings on Foucault's treatment of economics?
> > Are there
> > some new (for example marxist) treatments of the fact that Foucault
> > does not
> > seem to support eonomic theories at all?
> >
> > Yours Claudius
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David McInerney" <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Biopolitics, Liberalism--quote from Dits
> > et Ecrits
> >
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Thomas Lemke's translation is quite different, but it appears on page
> > 73 of Rabinow (ed), Michel Foucault, Ethics: Subjectivity and Truth.
> > It is the first page of that course summary.
> >
> > The whole thing is rather short; as Machiel says I would get the book
> > of the course instead.
> >
> > best wishes
> > David
> >
> > On 20/04/2009, at 5:25 PM, M. Karskens wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The quote is from the overview of the course of
> >> 1979, that was written afterwards and published
> >> in the Annuaire of the Collège de France. The
> >> Course itself is much more interestiing, it is translated now in
> >> English
> >>
> >>
> >> yours,
> >> machiel karskens
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 00:10 19-4-2009, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> In his article on biopolitics, Thomas Lemke
> >>> quotes Foucault on the connection between biopolitics and
> >>> liberalism:
> >>>
> >>> '[Foucault] stresses that the problems of biopolitics “cannot be
> >>> separated from the frame of political rationality, in which they
> >>> appeared and were aggravated. Especially not from ‘liberalism’,
> >>> since
> >>> by referring to this rationality they got the form of a provocation.
> >>> How can the phenomenon of the ‘population’ with its specific effects
> >>> and problems be taken into account by a system that endorses the
> >>> respect for a subject of rights and for the freedom of choice? In
> >>> whose
> >>> name and by what rules may they be governed?”
> >>> (Dits et Escrits: 818, translation T.L.; see also 822-3).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone tell me what the source text of this
> >>> quote is (as indicated above, it's Lemke's
> >>> translation). This sounds like it came from the
> >>> 1979 Birth of Biopolitics lectures.
> >>>
> >>> The answer to the question Foucault posed, by the way, is civil
> >>> society.
> >>>
> >>> Jason R. Weidner
> >>> PhD. candidate, Department of International Relations
> >>> Florida International University
> >>> Miami, FL USA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Prof. Machiel Karskens
> >> social and political philosophy
> >> Faculty of Philosophy
> >> Radboud University Nijmegen - The Netherlands
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
> >
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> ----------------------------------
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> Assistant Professor, Political Science
> Ohio University, Chillicothe
>
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Foucault is interpreted in IR?
I had the feeling (from my classes) he was treated as a social
constructionist in that field.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Nicholas J. Kiersey <
nicholaskiersey@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Claudius,
>
> I invite you (and anyone else) to have a look at a piece I have had
> published recently in the journal New Political Science. It comes from
> an International Relations/IPE perspective, and uses these new
> writings to address some issues I have with how Foucault is
> interpreted in IR. Some of it might be a little off topic for this
> list, but the section on Birth of Biopolitics might be interesting for
> you.
>
> Scale, Security, and Political Economy: Debating the Biopolitics of
> the Global War on Terror
> New Political Science,31:1,27 — 47
> URL: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/07393140802693865
>
> Yours,
>
> Nicholas
>
> PS: I can send you the PDF offlist -
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:28, claudius wrote:
>
> > Hi David, hi everybody,
> >
> > its good to hear that the birth of biopolitcs is finally out in
> > english. It
> > has been a pleasure to read for me some years ago, because it is a
> > lot about
> > ordo-liberals and neoclassic economists (who are favourite enemys of
> > mine).
> > Are there some new readings on Foucault's treatment of economics?
> > Are there
> > some new (for example marxist) treatments of the fact that Foucault
> > does not
> > seem to support eonomic theories at all?
> >
> > Yours Claudius
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David McInerney" <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Biopolitics, Liberalism--quote from Dits
> > et Ecrits
> >
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Thomas Lemke's translation is quite different, but it appears on page
> > 73 of Rabinow (ed), Michel Foucault, Ethics: Subjectivity and Truth.
> > It is the first page of that course summary.
> >
> > The whole thing is rather short; as Machiel says I would get the book
> > of the course instead.
> >
> > best wishes
> > David
> >
> > On 20/04/2009, at 5:25 PM, M. Karskens wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The quote is from the overview of the course of
> >> 1979, that was written afterwards and published
> >> in the Annuaire of the Collège de France. The
> >> Course itself is much more interestiing, it is translated now in
> >> English
> >>
> >>
> >> yours,
> >> machiel karskens
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 00:10 19-4-2009, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> In his article on biopolitics, Thomas Lemke
> >>> quotes Foucault on the connection between biopolitics and
> >>> liberalism:
> >>>
> >>> '[Foucault] stresses that the problems of biopolitics “cannot be
> >>> separated from the frame of political rationality, in which they
> >>> appeared and were aggravated. Especially not from ‘liberalism’,
> >>> since
> >>> by referring to this rationality they got the form of a provocation.
> >>> How can the phenomenon of the ‘population’ with its specific effects
> >>> and problems be taken into account by a system that endorses the
> >>> respect for a subject of rights and for the freedom of choice? In
> >>> whose
> >>> name and by what rules may they be governed?”
> >>> (Dits et Escrits: 818, translation T.L.; see also 822-3).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone tell me what the source text of this
> >>> quote is (as indicated above, it's Lemke's
> >>> translation). This sounds like it came from the
> >>> 1979 Birth of Biopolitics lectures.
> >>>
> >>> The answer to the question Foucault posed, by the way, is civil
> >>> society.
> >>>
> >>> Jason R. Weidner
> >>> PhD. candidate, Department of International Relations
> >>> Florida International University
> >>> Miami, FL USA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Prof. Machiel Karskens
> >> social and political philosophy
> >> Faculty of Philosophy
> >> Radboud University Nijmegen - The Netherlands
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei.
> > Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de
> > Version: 8.5.287 / Virendatenbank: 270.12.0/2066 - Ausgabedatum:
> > 04/18/09
> > 09:55:00
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
> ----------------------------------
> Nicholas J. Kiersey, PhD
> Assistant Professor, Political Science
> Ohio University, Chillicothe
>
> Office: (740) 774-7270
> Mobile: (740) 466-5799
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Foucault-L mailing list
>
--
Chetan Vemuri
West Des Moines, IA
aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
(319)-512-9318
"You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
world"