This is Balibar's article Foucault et Marx. L'enjeu du nominalisme.
It is reprinted in Balibar's 1997 book La crainte des Masses (Paris: Galilée) which is, I think, translated in English.
yours
machiel karskens
----- "Chathan Vemuri" <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: "Chathan Vemuri" <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:05:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Marx and Foucault
>
> Very good response Ari
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:51 AM, ari <ari@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Foucault recognised the Left as his 'family' (I guess with all the
> > infighting, dysfunctional and authoritarian relationships that it
> > entails). At the time of the stale debate you are reproducing here
> I
> > felt that Balibar's essay on Power and Value was intelligent and
> thought
> > provoking. I can't remember where it is, perhaps in Michel
> Foucault
> > philosopher, the collection.
> > Thankfully things have moved on, both in Marxist theory and
> Foucauldian
> > investigations. I don't think you can dispense with either for an
> > effective critique of capitalism. But we should certainly dispense
> with
> > historical revisionism, whatever its colour.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:47:30 -0600, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> >> I've asked some people I know with expertise on the matter but
> >> thought
> >> I'd get a better range of responses here. Me and some Marxist
> friends
> >> were discussing the Power and Strategies interview where Foucault
> >> talks about the Gulag. My friends felt he was creating a straw man
> by
> >> suggesting Marxism and Leninism be examined in light of the
> reality
> >> of
> >> the Gulag. They went to further to castigate Foucault for
> >> inadvertently being in theoretical alliance with liberal thought
> that
> >> only further ignored the necessary critique of capitalism. While I
> >> think they are right about Power and Strategies, I'm not sure if
> the
> >> other argument follows. Indeed it seems to be a common theme in
> >> Marx-Foucault comparisons. Foucauldians, on the other hand, feel
> no
> >> guilt in writing off Marxists as intellectual dinosaurs who have
> at
> >> best contributed to failed political killing machines (Stalin,
> Mao,
> >> Che). Does anyone on here know of some good arguments or even
> books
> >> that go beyond these useless exchanges? I personally feel there's
> a
> >> certain kinship between the two thinkers in terms of
> subjectiviation,
> >> power relations, concern with historicization. And how would one
> >> respond to such pointless jabs to begin with. I wasn't convinced
> of
> >> Foucault's neat link between Marx and Soviet repression but I
> hardly
> >> think that his critique is akin to a liberal philosophy of the
> state.
> >
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It is reprinted in Balibar's 1997 book La crainte des Masses (Paris: Galilée) which is, I think, translated in English.
yours
machiel karskens
----- "Chathan Vemuri" <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: "Chathan Vemuri" <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:05:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Marx and Foucault
>
> Very good response Ari
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:51 AM, ari <ari@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Foucault recognised the Left as his 'family' (I guess with all the
> > infighting, dysfunctional and authoritarian relationships that it
> > entails). At the time of the stale debate you are reproducing here
> I
> > felt that Balibar's essay on Power and Value was intelligent and
> thought
> > provoking. I can't remember where it is, perhaps in Michel
> Foucault
> > philosopher, the collection.
> > Thankfully things have moved on, both in Marxist theory and
> Foucauldian
> > investigations. I don't think you can dispense with either for an
> > effective critique of capitalism. But we should certainly dispense
> with
> > historical revisionism, whatever its colour.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:47:30 -0600, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> >> I've asked some people I know with expertise on the matter but
> >> thought
> >> I'd get a better range of responses here. Me and some Marxist
> friends
> >> were discussing the Power and Strategies interview where Foucault
> >> talks about the Gulag. My friends felt he was creating a straw man
> by
> >> suggesting Marxism and Leninism be examined in light of the
> reality
> >> of
> >> the Gulag. They went to further to castigate Foucault for
> >> inadvertently being in theoretical alliance with liberal thought
> that
> >> only further ignored the necessary critique of capitalism. While I
> >> think they are right about Power and Strategies, I'm not sure if
> the
> >> other argument follows. Indeed it seems to be a common theme in
> >> Marx-Foucault comparisons. Foucauldians, on the other hand, feel
> no
> >> guilt in writing off Marxists as intellectual dinosaurs who have
> at
> >> best contributed to failed political killing machines (Stalin,
> Mao,
> >> Che). Does anyone on here know of some good arguments or even
> books
> >> that go beyond these useless exchanges? I personally feel there's
> a
> >> certain kinship between the two thinkers in terms of
> subjectiviation,
> >> power relations, concern with historicization. And how would one
> >> respond to such pointless jabs to begin with. I wasn't convinced
> of
> >> Foucault's neat link between Marx and Soviet repression but I
> hardly
> >> think that his critique is akin to a liberal philosophy of the
> state.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
>
>
> --
> Chathan Vemuri
>
> 900 58th Street
> West Des Moines, IA 50266
> chathan-vemuri@xxxxxxxxx
> (319)-512-9318
>
> _______________________________________________
> Foucault-L mailing list