Jivko:
You are seriously claiming that there is no Japanese or Chinese nationalism?
Is Russia "western" or "non-western" or some combination of both? Whether
nationalism is a useful concept requires close attention to particular
settings. I do not see how anyone could use these global generalizations
about "the west" to understand anything.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jivko Georgiev" <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
> world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
> Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue, and
> he avoided it.
>
> Zhivko
> --- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
> > question. I wonder if a way
> > to connect Foucault's work in this discussion about
> > nationalism is to
> > identify some of the discourses that have gone into
> > the nationalism
> > literature. Much of what I have read has been
> > structuralist or humanist
> > explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault was
> > avoiding. I am trying to
> > use the concept of governmentality to ask what kinds
> > of national imaginaries
> > have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a way I
> > am using Foucault's
> > concepts rather than concepts of nationalism, but my
> > interests intersect
> > with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
> > worsens the understanding.
> > I hope not.
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jivko Georgiev
> > [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
> > To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> >
> >
> > > If you can't see how biopower relates to
> > > nationalism, I don't know what to
> > > tell you.
> > >
> > neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
> > honestly.
> > The nationalism was a question foucault never cared
> > about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
> > cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
> > first
> > page of every western newspapper and magazin. And i
> > say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these guys?
> > Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for which
> > the
> > national borders doesnt exist anymore, and in which
> > everyone is nomore of his own race, this world has
> > as
> > a main issue the nationalism and ethnic cleansing -
> > this western world is forcing, through the help of
> > the
> > weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
> > biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is doing
> > the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the world
> > doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
> >
> > Assertion of rights and authorship? How Foucauldian
> > > is this?
> > How?
> >
> > Regards!
> > Jivko
> > --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >===== Original Message From
> > > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
> > > >Calm down.
> > >
> > > Some of us are calm when writing this.
> > >
> > > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault has
> > > >never, absolutely never dealed with any questions
> > > of
> > > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were never
> > > among
> > > >his problems. never.
> > >
> > > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for 500
> > > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
> > right
> > > to
> > > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
> > > always a
> > > >trouble.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >"... Goodness,
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > > Dr. Nathan Widder
> > > Lecturer in Political Theory
> > > University of Exeter
> > > Department of Politics
> > > Amory Building
> > > Rennes Drive
> > > Exeter EX4 4RJ
> > > United Kingdom
> > > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
> > > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
> > > http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
> > >
> >
> >
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You are seriously claiming that there is no Japanese or Chinese nationalism?
Is Russia "western" or "non-western" or some combination of both? Whether
nationalism is a useful concept requires close attention to particular
settings. I do not see how anyone could use these global generalizations
about "the west" to understand anything.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jivko Georgiev" <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
> world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
> Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue, and
> he avoided it.
>
> Zhivko
> --- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
> > question. I wonder if a way
> > to connect Foucault's work in this discussion about
> > nationalism is to
> > identify some of the discourses that have gone into
> > the nationalism
> > literature. Much of what I have read has been
> > structuralist or humanist
> > explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault was
> > avoiding. I am trying to
> > use the concept of governmentality to ask what kinds
> > of national imaginaries
> > have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a way I
> > am using Foucault's
> > concepts rather than concepts of nationalism, but my
> > interests intersect
> > with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
> > worsens the understanding.
> > I hope not.
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jivko Georgiev
> > [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
> > To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> >
> >
> > > If you can't see how biopower relates to
> > > nationalism, I don't know what to
> > > tell you.
> > >
> > neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
> > honestly.
> > The nationalism was a question foucault never cared
> > about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
> > cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
> > first
> > page of every western newspapper and magazin. And i
> > say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these guys?
> > Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for which
> > the
> > national borders doesnt exist anymore, and in which
> > everyone is nomore of his own race, this world has
> > as
> > a main issue the nationalism and ethnic cleansing -
> > this western world is forcing, through the help of
> > the
> > weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
> > biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is doing
> > the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the world
> > doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
> >
> > Assertion of rights and authorship? How Foucauldian
> > > is this?
> > How?
> >
> > Regards!
> > Jivko
> > --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >===== Original Message From
> > > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
> > > >Calm down.
> > >
> > > Some of us are calm when writing this.
> > >
> > > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault has
> > > >never, absolutely never dealed with any questions
> > > of
> > > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were never
> > > among
> > > >his problems. never.
> > >
> > > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for 500
> > > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
> > right
> > > to
> > > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
> > > always a
> > > >trouble.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >"... Goodness,
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > > Dr. Nathan Widder
> > > Lecturer in Political Theory
> > > University of Exeter
> > > Department of Politics
> > > Amory Building
> > > Rennes Drive
> > > Exeter EX4 4RJ
> > > United Kingdom
> > > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
> > > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
> > > http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
> > >
> >
> >
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