China addopted a western invention - the communsim-
and thus became nationalistic. Most of those, who
investigate the communism, sais there is loads of
nationalism in its structure: Lyotard wrote about it
in a collection called "The postmodern explained for
children". The communism is cultivating nationalism
and then exploits it ( for example - Yougoslavia). I
wanted to show you that the nationalism, which the
west sees in every country in the world, is only a
notion, which belongs to the west and to nobody else.
The west sais, that the opposite of the nationalism is
"the humanity" - as we know from our friend Michel
Foucault "the humanity" is nonsense. But as we know
"the humanity" is nowadays used as a juridic tool
against "the nationalism"( see - Milosevic, the man
who did crime against "the humanity") So tell me again
please, what did Foucault had in common with the
nationalism?
Jivko
--- Larry Chappell <larchap@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jivko:
>
> You are seriously claiming that there is no Japanese
> or Chinese nationalism?
> Is Russia "western" or "non-western" or some
> combination of both? Whether
> nationalism is a useful concept requires close
> attention to particular
> settings. I do not see how anyone could use these
> global generalizations
> about "the west" to understand anything.
>
> Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jivko Georgiev" <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:27 PM
> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
>
>
> > I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
> > world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
> > Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue,
> and
> > he avoided it.
> >
> > Zhivko
> > --- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
> > > question. I wonder if a way
> > > to connect Foucault's work in this discussion
> about
> > > nationalism is to
> > > identify some of the discourses that have gone
> into
> > > the nationalism
> > > literature. Much of what I have read has been
> > > structuralist or humanist
> > > explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault
> was
> > > avoiding. I am trying to
> > > use the concept of governmentality to ask what
> kinds
> > > of national imaginaries
> > > have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a
> way I
> > > am using Foucault's
> > > concepts rather than concepts of nationalism,
> but my
> > > interests intersect
> > > with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
> > > worsens the understanding.
> > > I hope not.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jivko Georgiev
> > > [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
> > > To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you can't see how biopower relates to
> > > > nationalism, I don't know what to
> > > > tell you.
> > > >
> > > neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
> > > honestly.
> > > The nationalism was a question foucault never
> cared
> > > about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
> > > cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
> > > first
> > > page of every western newspapper and magazin.
> And i
> > > say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these
> guys?
> > > Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for
> which
> > > the
> > > national borders doesnt exist anymore, and in
> which
> > > everyone is nomore of his own race, this world
> has
> > > as
> > > a main issue the nationalism and ethnic
> cleansing -
> > > this western world is forcing, through the help
> of
> > > the
> > > weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
> > > biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is
> doing
> > > the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the
> world
> > > doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
> > >
> > > Assertion of rights and authorship? How
> Foucauldian
> > > > is this?
> > > How?
> > >
> > > Regards!
> > > Jivko
> > > --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >===== Original Message From
> > > > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
> > > > >Calm down.
> > > >
> > > > Some of us are calm when writing this.
> > > >
> > > > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault
> has
> > > > >never, absolutely never dealed with any
> questions
> > > > of
> > > > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were
> never
> > > > among
> > > > >his problems. never.
> > > >
> > > > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for
> 500
> > > > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
> > > right
> > > > to
> > > > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
> > > > always a
> > > > >trouble.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >"... Goodness,
> > > >
> > > > Nathan
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Nathan Widder
> > > > Lecturer in Political Theory
> > > > University of Exeter
> > > > Department of Politics
> > > > Amory Building
> > > > Rennes Drive
> > > > Exeter EX4 4RJ
> > > > United Kingdom
> > > > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
> > > > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
> > > >
> http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
> > > >
> > >
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and thus became nationalistic. Most of those, who
investigate the communism, sais there is loads of
nationalism in its structure: Lyotard wrote about it
in a collection called "The postmodern explained for
children". The communism is cultivating nationalism
and then exploits it ( for example - Yougoslavia). I
wanted to show you that the nationalism, which the
west sees in every country in the world, is only a
notion, which belongs to the west and to nobody else.
The west sais, that the opposite of the nationalism is
"the humanity" - as we know from our friend Michel
Foucault "the humanity" is nonsense. But as we know
"the humanity" is nowadays used as a juridic tool
against "the nationalism"( see - Milosevic, the man
who did crime against "the humanity") So tell me again
please, what did Foucault had in common with the
nationalism?
Jivko
--- Larry Chappell <larchap@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jivko:
>
> You are seriously claiming that there is no Japanese
> or Chinese nationalism?
> Is Russia "western" or "non-western" or some
> combination of both? Whether
> nationalism is a useful concept requires close
> attention to particular
> settings. I do not see how anyone could use these
> global generalizations
> about "the west" to understand anything.
>
> Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jivko Georgiev" <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:27 PM
> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
>
>
> > I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
> > world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
> > Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue,
> and
> > he avoided it.
> >
> > Zhivko
> > --- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
> > > question. I wonder if a way
> > > to connect Foucault's work in this discussion
> about
> > > nationalism is to
> > > identify some of the discourses that have gone
> into
> > > the nationalism
> > > literature. Much of what I have read has been
> > > structuralist or humanist
> > > explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault
> was
> > > avoiding. I am trying to
> > > use the concept of governmentality to ask what
> kinds
> > > of national imaginaries
> > > have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a
> way I
> > > am using Foucault's
> > > concepts rather than concepts of nationalism,
> but my
> > > interests intersect
> > > with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
> > > worsens the understanding.
> > > I hope not.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jivko Georgiev
> > > [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
> > > To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you can't see how biopower relates to
> > > > nationalism, I don't know what to
> > > > tell you.
> > > >
> > > neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
> > > honestly.
> > > The nationalism was a question foucault never
> cared
> > > about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
> > > cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
> > > first
> > > page of every western newspapper and magazin.
> And i
> > > say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these
> guys?
> > > Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for
> which
> > > the
> > > national borders doesnt exist anymore, and in
> which
> > > everyone is nomore of his own race, this world
> has
> > > as
> > > a main issue the nationalism and ethnic
> cleansing -
> > > this western world is forcing, through the help
> of
> > > the
> > > weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
> > > biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is
> doing
> > > the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the
> world
> > > doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
> > >
> > > Assertion of rights and authorship? How
> Foucauldian
> > > > is this?
> > > How?
> > >
> > > Regards!
> > > Jivko
> > > --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >===== Original Message From
> > > > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
> > > > >Calm down.
> > > >
> > > > Some of us are calm when writing this.
> > > >
> > > > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault
> has
> > > > >never, absolutely never dealed with any
> questions
> > > > of
> > > > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were
> never
> > > > among
> > > > >his problems. never.
> > > >
> > > > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for
> 500
> > > > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
> > > right
> > > > to
> > > > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
> > > > always a
> > > > >trouble.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >"... Goodness,
> > > >
> > > > Nathan
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Nathan Widder
> > > > Lecturer in Political Theory
> > > > University of Exeter
> > > > Department of Politics
> > > > Amory Building
> > > > Rennes Drive
> > > > Exeter EX4 4RJ
> > > > United Kingdom
> > > > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
> > > > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
> > > >
> http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
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