I'm just sorry but I understand your frustration. Thank you for years of
good work F
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:26:25 -0500 (EST) "malgosia askanas"
<ma@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Dear All,
>
> This is to let you know that in about two weeks I intend to close
> down the
> foucault list. This decision is part of a wider set of decisions
> having to
> do with the present circumstances of the Spoon Collective - which,
> as you
> probably know, has been running this list.
>
> The Spoon Collective, of which I am the sole surviving founder, has
> been
> operating continually for over 10 years. Of the 8 people who
> currently
> constitute it, 3 have been in it basically from the very beginning,
> and almost
> all the others for almost as long.
>
> When the Spoon Collective was originally created, a crucial aspect
> of its life
> was our own passionate involvement in the lists we created or took
> over.
> As vehicles for bringing into mutual contact and confrontation
> thinking
> people from all over the computerized world - people from
> astoundingly
> different walks of life and with astoundingly different ways of
> thinking,
> but with a shared passion for more accurate perception and deeper
> understanding
> - these lists seemed to us to present a stupendous potential for
> evolving
> new modes of thought and new modes of life. And it is essential to
> note that
> when we were motivated by a thirst for new modes of thought and
> life, it was
> for _ourselves_ that we wanted them. Our project was not about
> providing a
> public or academic or political service, discharging a societal
> duty, or
> providing platforms for this or that political organization or
> orientation -
> rather, it was about changing life - the life we think and live -
> right at the
> present moment.
>
> Over the years, however, our relationship with our lists gradually
> changed,
> and we now find our collective endeavor basically reduced to an
> indifferent
> performance of a not-excessively-bothersome piece of labor. The
> reasons for
> this are undoubtedly complex - the first and simplest one, perhaps,
> being that
> the same group of people has been doing the same thing for 10 years.
> If our
> goal had been less the stability of existing lists and more the
> preservation
> of our own passion, we probably could have done better. In any
> case, we find
> ourselves a bunch of burnt out and apathetic bureaucrats.
>
> I personally find thie prolongation of this situation no longer
> tolerable or
> sensical. As a result, I have (1) announced that I am quitting the
> Spoon
> Collective; (2) decided to close down a number of lists that I have
> been
> responsible for; and (3) declared the end of the Spoon Collective as
> a
> certain historic formation, and stipulated that the name no longer
> be used for
> whatever the present members may undertake in the future.
>
> I, of course, cannot judge the value of any particular list from
> any
> perspective but my own - and neither would I want to. Only each of
> you can
> decide whether you value this list enough to step in and recreate it
> somewhere
> else. If any of you wants to do this, I can make available to you a
> copy
> of the subscription list, a tarred and gzipped copy of the archive,
> and
> software support for a smooth transition. The present list will
> stop operating
> around December 10th.
>
> A number of the other members of Spoon have expressed an interest in
> either
> continuing their present lists or initiating other collective
> projects at
> Virginia. We very much hope that no matter what develops, the Spoon
> archives,
> which, in large part, constitute an eminently useful and fascinating
> resource,
> can continue to be housed in their present location. In addition, a
> copy
> of the archives is being installed at the domain driftline.org,
> where they
> will soon be accessible over the Web. If anybody would like to
> house
> additional copies of the full or individual archives elsewhere, this
> would
> of course increase the goodness.
>
>
> Yours,
> -malgosia
>
>
good work F
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:26:25 -0500 (EST) "malgosia askanas"
<ma@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Dear All,
>
> This is to let you know that in about two weeks I intend to close
> down the
> foucault list. This decision is part of a wider set of decisions
> having to
> do with the present circumstances of the Spoon Collective - which,
> as you
> probably know, has been running this list.
>
> The Spoon Collective, of which I am the sole surviving founder, has
> been
> operating continually for over 10 years. Of the 8 people who
> currently
> constitute it, 3 have been in it basically from the very beginning,
> and almost
> all the others for almost as long.
>
> When the Spoon Collective was originally created, a crucial aspect
> of its life
> was our own passionate involvement in the lists we created or took
> over.
> As vehicles for bringing into mutual contact and confrontation
> thinking
> people from all over the computerized world - people from
> astoundingly
> different walks of life and with astoundingly different ways of
> thinking,
> but with a shared passion for more accurate perception and deeper
> understanding
> - these lists seemed to us to present a stupendous potential for
> evolving
> new modes of thought and new modes of life. And it is essential to
> note that
> when we were motivated by a thirst for new modes of thought and
> life, it was
> for _ourselves_ that we wanted them. Our project was not about
> providing a
> public or academic or political service, discharging a societal
> duty, or
> providing platforms for this or that political organization or
> orientation -
> rather, it was about changing life - the life we think and live -
> right at the
> present moment.
>
> Over the years, however, our relationship with our lists gradually
> changed,
> and we now find our collective endeavor basically reduced to an
> indifferent
> performance of a not-excessively-bothersome piece of labor. The
> reasons for
> this are undoubtedly complex - the first and simplest one, perhaps,
> being that
> the same group of people has been doing the same thing for 10 years.
> If our
> goal had been less the stability of existing lists and more the
> preservation
> of our own passion, we probably could have done better. In any
> case, we find
> ourselves a bunch of burnt out and apathetic bureaucrats.
>
> I personally find thie prolongation of this situation no longer
> tolerable or
> sensical. As a result, I have (1) announced that I am quitting the
> Spoon
> Collective; (2) decided to close down a number of lists that I have
> been
> responsible for; and (3) declared the end of the Spoon Collective as
> a
> certain historic formation, and stipulated that the name no longer
> be used for
> whatever the present members may undertake in the future.
>
> I, of course, cannot judge the value of any particular list from
> any
> perspective but my own - and neither would I want to. Only each of
> you can
> decide whether you value this list enough to step in and recreate it
> somewhere
> else. If any of you wants to do this, I can make available to you a
> copy
> of the subscription list, a tarred and gzipped copy of the archive,
> and
> software support for a smooth transition. The present list will
> stop operating
> around December 10th.
>
> A number of the other members of Spoon have expressed an interest in
> either
> continuing their present lists or initiating other collective
> projects at
> Virginia. We very much hope that no matter what develops, the Spoon
> archives,
> which, in large part, constitute an eminently useful and fascinating
> resource,
> can continue to be housed in their present location. In addition, a
> copy
> of the archives is being installed at the domain driftline.org,
> where they
> will soon be accessible over the Web. If anybody would like to
> house
> additional copies of the full or individual archives elsewhere, this
> would
> of course increase the goodness.
>
>
> Yours,
> -malgosia
>
>