An interesting article, which contrasts Foucault and Said is
>
> Paul Bové's "Intellectuals at War," *SubStance* 9 (4), 1983, pp. 36-55
>
> Personally, I've never seen Said as particularly Foucualdian. The
> comparison seems to turn entirely on the idea that Said's orientalism is "a
> discourse." But although Said may use the term "discourse" (as does
> practically everyone these days), I do not think a close reading of his text
> would clearly support the idea. On the contrary, it has always seemed to me
> that what Said offers is really much more of a classical ideological
> analysis --viz. orientalism, rather than being a "discourse," is in fact
> simply an ideology. It's true that Said describes orientalism in various
> places as having "constituted" its object (which makes it sound very much
> like a discourse), but the overall tenor of his argument is that orientalism
> is a *false *picture preventing the west from seeing the reality of the
> non-west.
>
> If Foucault is to be critiqued on postcolonial grounds, I think we'd do
> better to look to Gayatri Spivak's "Can the Subaltern Speak?" Unlike Said,
> whose critique of Foucault is ultimately made on humanist grounds (and
> without showing much evidence of actually having understood Foucault's
> project), Spivak understands Foucault very well and critiques him, not by
> herself returning to humanism ( à la Said), but by going in the exact
> opposite direction: identifying a residual humanism in Foucualt's own
> writing. (Spivak's anti-humanist critique is, in turn, linked to her
> postcolonial colonial critique, but I won't try to unpack that dimension of
> her argument now.)
>
> Regards,
> Nate Roberts
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 3:27 AM, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Cheers, I'm interested in this too so I'll try to track them down.
> >
> > Javed Majeed does a sort of round-about critique of Said in his book
> > on James Mill (Ungoverned Imaginings), tries to replace Foucault with
> > Taylor and ends up with not much Said ... I don't think Majeed had
> > read that much Foucault when he wrote the book, just noted some
> > effects of the way Said reads Foucault (without noting that it is a
> > very specific reading) and then Taylor's reading of Foucault, which
> > seems in many ways similar to Said's, so that Taylor's critique of
> > Foucault could then be applied to Said to resurrect the Subject and
> > then, subsequently, a multicultural form of liberalism.
> >
> > What a convoluted sentence. Sorry. I hope it makes sense!
> >
> >
> > On 08/11/2007, at 12:07 PM, Seda Mimaroglu wrote:
> >
> > > I'm afraid not the answer you are looking for but lately I came
> > > across two
> > > articles that may be of interest:
> > > Uta Liebmann Schaub "Foucault's Oriental Subtext"
> > > PMLA Vol. 104 No. 3. p.306-316 (1989)
> > >
> > > Rosemarie Scullion "Foucault the Orientalist"
> > > South Central Review Vol. 12 No. 2. p.16-40 (1995)
> > >
> > > I believe the Schaub article was discussed here as well.
> > > best,
> > >
> > > seda mimaroglu.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 8, 2007 12:39 AM, Mehmet Kentel < mehmet.kentel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> Working on Edward Said's Orientalism for a while, I am wondering if
> > >> Foucault had said anything about Said's work. The book, after all,
> > >> was
> > >> published in 1978 and it got immediate response both from academic
> > >> circles and popular media. Being a work deeply based on Foucault's
> > >> analysis of discourse, I guess Orientalism must have had taken
> > >> attention of Foucault too in a six-years time. A brief search,
> > >> though,
> > >> didn't come up with anything. Do you know any article or interview
> > >> where Foucault talks about Said?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Mehmet Kentel
> > >>
> > >> Boğaziçi University
> > >> Department of Political Science & International Relations
> > >> Department of History
> > >> Undergrad.
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Foucault-L mailing list
> > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Foucault-L mailing list
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
>
>
>
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> <a href=" http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/anthropology/roberts.htm";>Nathaniel
> Roberts</a>
> ESRC Postdoctoral Fellow
> Department of Anthropology
> London School of Economics
--
<a href="http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/anthropology/roberts.htm";>Nathaniel
Roberts</a>
ESRC Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Anthropology
London School of Economics
>
> Paul Bové's "Intellectuals at War," *SubStance* 9 (4), 1983, pp. 36-55
>
> Personally, I've never seen Said as particularly Foucualdian. The
> comparison seems to turn entirely on the idea that Said's orientalism is "a
> discourse." But although Said may use the term "discourse" (as does
> practically everyone these days), I do not think a close reading of his text
> would clearly support the idea. On the contrary, it has always seemed to me
> that what Said offers is really much more of a classical ideological
> analysis --viz. orientalism, rather than being a "discourse," is in fact
> simply an ideology. It's true that Said describes orientalism in various
> places as having "constituted" its object (which makes it sound very much
> like a discourse), but the overall tenor of his argument is that orientalism
> is a *false *picture preventing the west from seeing the reality of the
> non-west.
>
> If Foucault is to be critiqued on postcolonial grounds, I think we'd do
> better to look to Gayatri Spivak's "Can the Subaltern Speak?" Unlike Said,
> whose critique of Foucault is ultimately made on humanist grounds (and
> without showing much evidence of actually having understood Foucault's
> project), Spivak understands Foucault very well and critiques him, not by
> herself returning to humanism ( à la Said), but by going in the exact
> opposite direction: identifying a residual humanism in Foucualt's own
> writing. (Spivak's anti-humanist critique is, in turn, linked to her
> postcolonial colonial critique, but I won't try to unpack that dimension of
> her argument now.)
>
> Regards,
> Nate Roberts
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 3:27 AM, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Cheers, I'm interested in this too so I'll try to track them down.
> >
> > Javed Majeed does a sort of round-about critique of Said in his book
> > on James Mill (Ungoverned Imaginings), tries to replace Foucault with
> > Taylor and ends up with not much Said ... I don't think Majeed had
> > read that much Foucault when he wrote the book, just noted some
> > effects of the way Said reads Foucault (without noting that it is a
> > very specific reading) and then Taylor's reading of Foucault, which
> > seems in many ways similar to Said's, so that Taylor's critique of
> > Foucault could then be applied to Said to resurrect the Subject and
> > then, subsequently, a multicultural form of liberalism.
> >
> > What a convoluted sentence. Sorry. I hope it makes sense!
> >
> >
> > On 08/11/2007, at 12:07 PM, Seda Mimaroglu wrote:
> >
> > > I'm afraid not the answer you are looking for but lately I came
> > > across two
> > > articles that may be of interest:
> > > Uta Liebmann Schaub "Foucault's Oriental Subtext"
> > > PMLA Vol. 104 No. 3. p.306-316 (1989)
> > >
> > > Rosemarie Scullion "Foucault the Orientalist"
> > > South Central Review Vol. 12 No. 2. p.16-40 (1995)
> > >
> > > I believe the Schaub article was discussed here as well.
> > > best,
> > >
> > > seda mimaroglu.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 8, 2007 12:39 AM, Mehmet Kentel < mehmet.kentel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> Working on Edward Said's Orientalism for a while, I am wondering if
> > >> Foucault had said anything about Said's work. The book, after all,
> > >> was
> > >> published in 1978 and it got immediate response both from academic
> > >> circles and popular media. Being a work deeply based on Foucault's
> > >> analysis of discourse, I guess Orientalism must have had taken
> > >> attention of Foucault too in a six-years time. A brief search,
> > >> though,
> > >> didn't come up with anything. Do you know any article or interview
> > >> where Foucault talks about Said?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Mehmet Kentel
> > >>
> > >> Boğaziçi University
> > >> Department of Political Science & International Relations
> > >> Department of History
> > >> Undergrad.
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Foucault-L mailing list
> > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Foucault-L mailing list
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
>
>
>
> --
> <a href=" http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/anthropology/roberts.htm";>Nathaniel
> Roberts</a>
> ESRC Postdoctoral Fellow
> Department of Anthropology
> London School of Economics
--
<a href="http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/anthropology/roberts.htm";>Nathaniel
Roberts</a>
ESRC Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Anthropology
London School of Economics