I find it really interesting this desire to neutralise the radicality of Foucault and return him to the (academic) fold.
As far as I can see, Foucault became highly critical of the notion of ideology. And rather than building upon it he stated at one point, I forget where, that he had no use for this notion, unlike that of repression, which he found much harder to shakle off.
Regards,
Kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:03:40 -0500
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
>
> Sorry, I do not understand the relation you are alluding to.
>
> F. Is expanding and transforming the concept of ideology to encompass
> cultural, political, economic, social and other domains of historical
> production, where ontology englobes epistemology.
>
> Arguably, he is being more Marxian than the early Marx of the German
> Ideology by revisiting how Marxian "production" takes place in a an
> ontology of multiplicity and becoming instead of relying on a
> teleological and linear and determined view of development with beginning
> and end. This is what transformation is.
>
> F.
>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:49:44 -0600
>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
>>
>> Fouad how would you distinguish this from the "end of ideology" thesis
>> popular in neoconservative and liberal circles.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Fouad Kalouche <fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>> Foucault addresses Marxian approaches to ideology most directly in
>>> Truth and Juridical forms, in 1975, and this is the first moment of his
>>> engagement with a genealogy of truth in forms of testing, inquiry, and
>>> experimentation--where truth relations are proven to be part of the
>>> fabric of historical Ontologies and not just produced by modes of
>>> production.
>>>
>>> A second moment of the study of regimes of truth as forms of
>>> veridiction engaged in subjectivization starts with the 1980 college de
>>> France course (subjectivite et verite) and ends with the 1984 course
>>> (courage de la verite) and this moment shapes the later published
>>> ,works of F. (History of sexuality, etc.).
>>>
>>> These are just the primary sources. Someone will surely help out with
>>> secondary sources.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Fouad Kalouche
>>>
>>> P.s. does anyone know anything about the Genet and Sade paper that
>>> Foucault supposedly destroyed upon his return from Sweden? Anything
>>> written about the subject?
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:05:08 -0600
>>>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
>>>>
>>>> An old friend gave me three copies of Ideology and Consciousness
>>>> issues from the late 70's and early 80's. There are essays in there by
>>>> Nikolas Rose, Jacques Donzelot, and Castel (I think). An early version
>>>> of Foucault's famous "Governmentality" lecture is in one of them as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know if it is still possible to get hold of copies of the
>>>>> journal "Ideology and Consciousness," preferably as scanned pdfs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best, Kevin.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: goran.gaber@xxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:26:37 +0100
>>>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [Foucault-L] Regimes of truth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for Foucault's own clarifications on the concept "regime
>>>>>> de
>>>>>> verite" as well as any other secondary sources on this matter -
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> very grateful for bibliography indications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best, Goran
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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As far as I can see, Foucault became highly critical of the notion of ideology. And rather than building upon it he stated at one point, I forget where, that he had no use for this notion, unlike that of repression, which he found much harder to shakle off.
Regards,
Kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:03:40 -0500
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
>
> Sorry, I do not understand the relation you are alluding to.
>
> F. Is expanding and transforming the concept of ideology to encompass
> cultural, political, economic, social and other domains of historical
> production, where ontology englobes epistemology.
>
> Arguably, he is being more Marxian than the early Marx of the German
> Ideology by revisiting how Marxian "production" takes place in a an
> ontology of multiplicity and becoming instead of relying on a
> teleological and linear and determined view of development with beginning
> and end. This is what transformation is.
>
> F.
>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:49:44 -0600
>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
>>
>> Fouad how would you distinguish this from the "end of ideology" thesis
>> popular in neoconservative and liberal circles.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Fouad Kalouche <fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>> Foucault addresses Marxian approaches to ideology most directly in
>>> Truth and Juridical forms, in 1975, and this is the first moment of his
>>> engagement with a genealogy of truth in forms of testing, inquiry, and
>>> experimentation--where truth relations are proven to be part of the
>>> fabric of historical Ontologies and not just produced by modes of
>>> production.
>>>
>>> A second moment of the study of regimes of truth as forms of
>>> veridiction engaged in subjectivization starts with the 1980 college de
>>> France course (subjectivite et verite) and ends with the 1984 course
>>> (courage de la verite) and this moment shapes the later published
>>> ,works of F. (History of sexuality, etc.).
>>>
>>> These are just the primary sources. Someone will surely help out with
>>> secondary sources.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Fouad Kalouche
>>>
>>> P.s. does anyone know anything about the Genet and Sade paper that
>>> Foucault supposedly destroyed upon his return from Sweden? Anything
>>> written about the subject?
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:05:08 -0600
>>>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
>>>>
>>>> An old friend gave me three copies of Ideology and Consciousness
>>>> issues from the late 70's and early 80's. There are essays in there by
>>>> Nikolas Rose, Jacques Donzelot, and Castel (I think). An early version
>>>> of Foucault's famous "Governmentality" lecture is in one of them as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know if it is still possible to get hold of copies of the
>>>>> journal "Ideology and Consciousness," preferably as scanned pdfs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best, Kevin.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: goran.gaber@xxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:26:37 +0100
>>>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [Foucault-L] Regimes of truth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for Foucault's own clarifications on the concept "regime
>>>>>> de
>>>>>> verite" as well as any other secondary sources on this matter -
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> very grateful for bibliography indications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best, Goran
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chathan Vemuri
>>>>
>>>> 900 58th Street
>>>> West Des Moines, IA 50266
>>>> chathan-vemuri@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> (319)-512-9318
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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