By pure chance I just re-read the very passage Kevin refers to. In it
Foucault also outlines very briefly what he sees as lacking about ideology
as an analytical tool. I don't have my papers with me, but I'm 90% sure it
was in Power/Knowledge and more specifically in the interview called
something like "Knowledge and Power." The passage, I think, comes towards
the end.
Nate
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> I find it really interesting this desire to neutralise the radicality of
> Foucault and return him to the (academic) fold.
> As far as I can see, Foucault became highly critical of the notion of
> ideology. And rather than building upon it he stated at one point, I forget
> where, that he had no use for this notion, unlike that of repression, which
> he found much harder to shakle off.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:03:40 -0500
> > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
> >
> > Sorry, I do not understand the relation you are alluding to.
> >
> > F. Is expanding and transforming the concept of ideology to encompass
> > cultural, political, economic, social and other domains of historical
> > production, where ontology englobes epistemology.
> >
> > Arguably, he is being more Marxian than the early Marx of the German
> > Ideology by revisiting how Marxian "production" takes place in a an
> > ontology of multiplicity and becoming instead of relying on a
> > teleological and linear and determined view of development with beginning
> > and end. This is what transformation is.
> >
> > F.
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:49:44 -0600
> >> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
> >>
> >> Fouad how would you distinguish this from the "end of ideology" thesis
> >> popular in neoconservative and liberal circles.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Fouad Kalouche <fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Foucault addresses Marxian approaches to ideology most directly in
> >>> Truth and Juridical forms, in 1975, and this is the first moment of his
> >>> engagement with a genealogy of truth in forms of testing, inquiry, and
> >>> experimentation--where truth relations are proven to be part of the
> >>> fabric of historical Ontologies and not just produced by modes of
> >>> production.
> >>>
> >>> A second moment of the study of regimes of truth as forms of
> >>> veridiction engaged in subjectivization starts with the 1980 college de
> >>> France course (subjectivite et verite) and ends with the 1984 course
> >>> (courage de la verite) and this moment shapes the later published
> >>> ,works of F. (History of sexuality, etc.).
> >>>
> >>> These are just the primary sources. Someone will surely help out with
> >>> secondary sources.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Fouad Kalouche
> >>>
> >>> P.s. does anyone know anything about the Genet and Sade paper that
> >>> Foucault supposedly destroyed upon his return from Sweden? Anything
> >>> written about the subject?
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:05:08 -0600
> >>>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
> >>>>
> >>>> An old friend gave me three copies of Ideology and Consciousness
> >>>> issues from the late 70's and early 80's. There are essays in there by
> >>>> Nikolas Rose, Jacques Donzelot, and Castel (I think). An early version
> >>>> of Foucault's famous "Governmentality" lecture is in one of them as
> >>>> well.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Does anyone know if it is still possible to get hold of copies of the
> >>>>> journal "Ideology and Consciousness," preferably as scanned pdfs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best, Kevin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: goran.gaber@xxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:26:37 +0100
> >>>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Subject: [Foucault-L] Regimes of truth
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm looking for Foucault's own clarifications on the concept "regime
> >>>>>> de
> >>>>>> verite" as well as any other secondary sources on this matter -
> >>>>>> would be
> >>>>>> very grateful for bibliography indications.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best, Goran
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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Foucault also outlines very briefly what he sees as lacking about ideology
as an analytical tool. I don't have my papers with me, but I'm 90% sure it
was in Power/Knowledge and more specifically in the interview called
something like "Knowledge and Power." The passage, I think, comes towards
the end.
Nate
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> I find it really interesting this desire to neutralise the radicality of
> Foucault and return him to the (academic) fold.
> As far as I can see, Foucault became highly critical of the notion of
> ideology. And rather than building upon it he stated at one point, I forget
> where, that he had no use for this notion, unlike that of repression, which
> he found much harder to shakle off.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:03:40 -0500
> > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
> >
> > Sorry, I do not understand the relation you are alluding to.
> >
> > F. Is expanding and transforming the concept of ideology to encompass
> > cultural, political, economic, social and other domains of historical
> > production, where ontology englobes epistemology.
> >
> > Arguably, he is being more Marxian than the early Marx of the German
> > Ideology by revisiting how Marxian "production" takes place in a an
> > ontology of multiplicity and becoming instead of relying on a
> > teleological and linear and determined view of development with beginning
> > and end. This is what transformation is.
> >
> > F.
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:49:44 -0600
> >> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
> >>
> >> Fouad how would you distinguish this from the "end of ideology" thesis
> >> popular in neoconservative and liberal circles.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Fouad Kalouche <fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Foucault addresses Marxian approaches to ideology most directly in
> >>> Truth and Juridical forms, in 1975, and this is the first moment of his
> >>> engagement with a genealogy of truth in forms of testing, inquiry, and
> >>> experimentation--where truth relations are proven to be part of the
> >>> fabric of historical Ontologies and not just produced by modes of
> >>> production.
> >>>
> >>> A second moment of the study of regimes of truth as forms of
> >>> veridiction engaged in subjectivization starts with the 1980 college de
> >>> France course (subjectivite et verite) and ends with the 1984 course
> >>> (courage de la verite) and this moment shapes the later published
> >>> ,works of F. (History of sexuality, etc.).
> >>>
> >>> These are just the primary sources. Someone will surely help out with
> >>> secondary sources.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Fouad Kalouche
> >>>
> >>> P.s. does anyone know anything about the Genet and Sade paper that
> >>> Foucault supposedly destroyed upon his return from Sweden? Anything
> >>> written about the subject?
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:05:08 -0600
> >>>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Ideology and Consciousness
> >>>>
> >>>> An old friend gave me three copies of Ideology and Consciousness
> >>>> issues from the late 70's and early 80's. There are essays in there by
> >>>> Nikolas Rose, Jacques Donzelot, and Castel (I think). An early version
> >>>> of Foucault's famous "Governmentality" lecture is in one of them as
> >>>> well.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Does anyone know if it is still possible to get hold of copies of the
> >>>>> journal "Ideology and Consciousness," preferably as scanned pdfs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best, Kevin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: goran.gaber@xxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:26:37 +0100
> >>>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Subject: [Foucault-L] Regimes of truth
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm looking for Foucault's own clarifications on the concept "regime
> >>>>>> de
> >>>>>> verite" as well as any other secondary sources on this matter -
> >>>>>> would be
> >>>>>> very grateful for bibliography indications.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best, Goran
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>> Publish your photos in seconds for FREE
> >>>>> TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Chathan Vemuri
> >>>>
> >>>> 900 58th Street
> >>>> West Des Moines, IA 50266
> >>>> chathan-vemuri@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> (319)-512-9318
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >> 900 58th Street
> >> West Des Moines, IA 50266
> >> chathan-vemuri@xxxxxxxxx
> >> (319)-512-9318
> >>
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