Ofcourse, what else, except threats and revenge a man
can expect from a arab?!
--- Tanju SARI <tanjus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Where is this guy from who is a member of a nation
> suffered from Turkish
> tirany?He is a sufferer but cant seem to tolerate
> the others.So tirany and
> prejudice is a boomerang..
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 16 Temmuz 2001 Pazartesi 04:01
> Subject: Re: RE: arabs ana hanums
>
>
> >Tell that to Ho Chi Min.
> >
> >
> >>>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/15/01 15:30 PM
> >>>
> >I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
> >world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
> >Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue,
> and
> >he avoided it.
> >
> >Zhivko
> >--- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
> >> question. I wonder if a way
> >> to connect Foucault's work in this discussion
> about
> >> nationalism is to
> >> identify some of the discourses that have gone
> into
> >> the nationalism
> >> literature. Much of what I have read has been
> >> structuralist or humanist
> >> explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault was
> >> avoiding. I am trying to
> >> use the concept of governmentality to ask what
> kinds
> >> of national imaginaries
> >> have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a
> way I
> >> am using Foucault's
> >> concepts rather than concepts of nationalism, but
> my
> >> interests intersect
> >> with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
> >> worsens the understanding.
> >> I hope not.
> >>
> >> Lisa
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jivko Georgiev
> >> [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
> >> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> >>
> >>
> >> > If you can't see how biopower relates to
> >> > nationalism, I don't know what to
> >> > tell you.
> >> >
> >> neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
> >> honestly.
> >> The nationalism was a question foucault never
> cared
> >> about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
> >> cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
> >> first
> >> page of every western newspapper and magazin. And
> i
> >> say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these
> guys?
> >> Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for which
> >> the
> >> national borders doesn exist anymore, and in
> which
> >> everyone is nomore of his own race, this world
> has
> >> as
> >> a main issue the nationalism and ethnic cleansing
> -
> >> this western world is forcing, through the help
> of
> >> the
> >> weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
> >> biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is
> doing
> >> the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the
> world
> >> doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
> >>
> >> Assertion of rights and authorship? How
> Foucauldian
> >> > is this?
> >> How?
> >>
> >> Regards!
> >> Jivko
> >> --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > >===== Original Message From
> >> > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
> >> > >Calm down.
> >> >
> >> > Some of us are calm when writing this.
> >> >
> >> > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault
> has
> >> > >never, absolutely never dealed with any
> questions
> >> > of
> >> > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were
> never
> >> > among
> >> > >his problems. never.
> >> >
> >> > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for
> 500
> >> > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
> >> right
> >> > to
> >> > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
> >> > always a
> >> > >trouble.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >"... Goodness,
> >> >
> >> > Nathan
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Nathan Widder
> >> > Lecturer in Political Theory
> >> > University of Exeter
> >> > Department of Politics
> >> > Amory Building
> >> > Rennes Drive
> >> > Exeter EX4 4RJ
> >> > United Kingdom
> >> > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
> >> > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
> >> >
> http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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can expect from a arab?!
--- Tanju SARI <tanjus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Where is this guy from who is a member of a nation
> suffered from Turkish
> tirany?He is a sufferer but cant seem to tolerate
> the others.So tirany and
> prejudice is a boomerang..
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 16 Temmuz 2001 Pazartesi 04:01
> Subject: Re: RE: arabs ana hanums
>
>
> >Tell that to Ho Chi Min.
> >
> >
> >>>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/15/01 15:30 PM
> >>>
> >I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
> >world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
> >Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue,
> and
> >he avoided it.
> >
> >Zhivko
> >--- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
> >> question. I wonder if a way
> >> to connect Foucault's work in this discussion
> about
> >> nationalism is to
> >> identify some of the discourses that have gone
> into
> >> the nationalism
> >> literature. Much of what I have read has been
> >> structuralist or humanist
> >> explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault was
> >> avoiding. I am trying to
> >> use the concept of governmentality to ask what
> kinds
> >> of national imaginaries
> >> have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a
> way I
> >> am using Foucault's
> >> concepts rather than concepts of nationalism, but
> my
> >> interests intersect
> >> with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
> >> worsens the understanding.
> >> I hope not.
> >>
> >> Lisa
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jivko Georgiev
> >> [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
> >> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
> >>
> >>
> >> > If you can't see how biopower relates to
> >> > nationalism, I don't know what to
> >> > tell you.
> >> >
> >> neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
> >> honestly.
> >> The nationalism was a question foucault never
> cared
> >> about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
> >> cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
> >> first
> >> page of every western newspapper and magazin. And
> i
> >> say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these
> guys?
> >> Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for which
> >> the
> >> national borders doesn exist anymore, and in
> which
> >> everyone is nomore of his own race, this world
> has
> >> as
> >> a main issue the nationalism and ethnic cleansing
> -
> >> this western world is forcing, through the help
> of
> >> the
> >> weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
> >> biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is
> doing
> >> the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the
> world
> >> doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
> >>
> >> Assertion of rights and authorship? How
> Foucauldian
> >> > is this?
> >> How?
> >>
> >> Regards!
> >> Jivko
> >> --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > >===== Original Message From
> >> > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
> >> > >Calm down.
> >> >
> >> > Some of us are calm when writing this.
> >> >
> >> > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault
> has
> >> > >never, absolutely never dealed with any
> questions
> >> > of
> >> > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were
> never
> >> > among
> >> > >his problems. never.
> >> >
> >> > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for
> 500
> >> > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
> >> right
> >> > to
> >> > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
> >> > always a
> >> > >trouble.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >"... Goodness,
> >> >
> >> > Nathan
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Nathan Widder
> >> > Lecturer in Political Theory
> >> > University of Exeter
> >> > Department of Politics
> >> > Amory Building
> >> > Rennes Drive
> >> > Exeter EX4 4RJ
> >> > United Kingdom
> >> > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
> >> > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
> >> >
> http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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