Where is this guy from who is a member of a nation suffered from Turkish
tirany?He is a sufferer but cant seem to tolerate the others.So tirany and
prejudice is a boomerang..
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 16 Temmuz 2001 Pazartesi 04:01
Subject: Re: RE: arabs ana hanums
>Tell that to Ho Chi Min.
>
>
>>>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/15/01 15:30 PM >>>
>I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
>world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
>Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue, and
>he avoided it.
>
>Zhivko
>--- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
>> question. I wonder if a way
>> to connect Foucault's work in this discussion about
>> nationalism is to
>> identify some of the discourses that have gone into
>> the nationalism
>> literature. Much of what I have read has been
>> structuralist or humanist
>> explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault was
>> avoiding. I am trying to
>> use the concept of governmentality to ask what kinds
>> of national imaginaries
>> have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a way I
>> am using Foucault's
>> concepts rather than concepts of nationalism, but my
>> interests intersect
>> with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
>> worsens the understanding.
>> I hope not.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jivko Georgiev
>> [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
>> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
>>
>>
>> > If you can't see how biopower relates to
>> > nationalism, I don't know what to
>> > tell you.
>> >
>> neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
>> honestly.
>> The nationalism was a question foucault never cared
>> about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
>> cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
>> first
>> page of every western newspapper and magazin. And i
>> say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these guys?
>> Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for which
>> the
>> national borders doesn exist anymore, and in which
>> everyone is nomore of his own race, this world has
>> as
>> a main issue the nationalism and ethnic cleansing -
>> this western world is forcing, through the help of
>> the
>> weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
>> biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is doing
>> the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the world
>> doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
>>
>> Assertion of rights and authorship? How Foucauldian
>> > is this?
>> How?
>>
>> Regards!
>> Jivko
>> --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > >===== Original Message From
>> > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
>> > >Calm down.
>> >
>> > Some of us are calm when writing this.
>> >
>> > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault has
>> > >never, absolutely never dealed with any questions
>> > of
>> > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were never
>> > among
>> > >his problems. never.
>> >
>> > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for 500
>> > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
>> right
>> > to
>> > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
>> > always a
>> > >trouble.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >"... Goodness,
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >
>> > Dr. Nathan Widder
>> > Lecturer in Political Theory
>> > University of Exeter
>> > Department of Politics
>> > Amory Building
>> > Rennes Drive
>> > Exeter EX4 4RJ
>> > United Kingdom
>> > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
>> > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
>> > http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
>> >
>>
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tirany?He is a sufferer but cant seem to tolerate the others.So tirany and
prejudice is a boomerang..
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 16 Temmuz 2001 Pazartesi 04:01
Subject: Re: RE: arabs ana hanums
>Tell that to Ho Chi Min.
>
>
>>>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/15/01 15:30 PM >>>
>I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western
>world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant.
>Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue, and
>he avoided it.
>
>Zhivko
>--- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this
>> question. I wonder if a way
>> to connect Foucault's work in this discussion about
>> nationalism is to
>> identify some of the discourses that have gone into
>> the nationalism
>> literature. Much of what I have read has been
>> structuralist or humanist
>> explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault was
>> avoiding. I am trying to
>> use the concept of governmentality to ask what kinds
>> of national imaginaries
>> have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a way I
>> am using Foucault's
>> concepts rather than concepts of nationalism, but my
>> interests intersect
>> with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this
>> worsens the understanding.
>> I hope not.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jivko Georgiev
>> [mailto:jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM
>> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums
>>
>>
>> > If you can't see how biopower relates to
>> > nationalism, I don't know what to
>> > tell you.
>> >
>> neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing,
>> honestly.
>> The nationalism was a question foucault never cared
>> about. But my research showed me that "ethnic
>> cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the
>> first
>> page of every western newspapper and magazin. And i
>> say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these guys?
>> Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for which
>> the
>> national borders doesn exist anymore, and in which
>> everyone is nomore of his own race, this world has
>> as
>> a main issue the nationalism and ethnic cleansing -
>> this western world is forcing, through the help of
>> the
>> weapon, the other world to confest that he, the
>> biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is doing
>> the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the world
>> doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy?
>>
>> Assertion of rights and authorship? How Foucauldian
>> > is this?
>> How?
>>
>> Regards!
>> Jivko
>> --- newidder <N.E.Widder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > >===== Original Message From
>> > foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =====
>> > >Calm down.
>> >
>> > Some of us are calm when writing this.
>> >
>> > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault has
>> > >never, absolutely never dealed with any questions
>> > of
>> > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were never
>> > among
>> > >his problems. never.
>> >
>> > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for 500
>> > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the
>> right
>> > to
>> > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are
>> > always a
>> > >trouble.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >"... Goodness,
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >
>> > Dr. Nathan Widder
>> > Lecturer in Political Theory
>> > University of Exeter
>> > Department of Politics
>> > Amory Building
>> > Rennes Drive
>> > Exeter EX4 4RJ
>> > United Kingdom
>> > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183
>> > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305
>> > http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/
>> >
>>
>>
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