That says more about overlap in ideas than it does about any possible
impact of Bergson on Foucault.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Teresa Mayne <teresa.mayne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I don't think that you can so easily discount Bergson's influence on
> Foucault, but there is one easy solution to this. Instead of going back and
> forth wondering if Foucault was influenced by him in In The Order of Things,
> what would happen if you just placed them in conversation with eachother
> now? (Read closely and between the lines; read method and structure. If
> nothing else Foucault seems to enjoy playing different roles, it is worth
> looking closer at his masks). See what you end up with and how that changes
> your perspective on the other - you may find something that you weren't
> expecting, which is the point after all in regards to better understanding
> someone's perspective.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Teresa
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Jeffrey Tallane <linactuel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Hello
>> I really don't think Bergson was a source material for the order of things.
>> Certainly there can't be anything in common between Bergson and Foucault,
>> particularly regarding the order of things where the conceptions of history
>> and time is in total contradiction with a bergsonian perspective. Rather
>> for
>> sourcers you should look at Georges Dumézil, Martin Heidegger, Borges...
>>
>> Jeffrey Tallane
>>
>> 2010/10/6 Allen Miller <pamiller@xxxxxx>
>>
>> > Thanks, that's really useful.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:13 PM, michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Perhaps to give an indication of how Creative Evolution and The Order
>> of
>> > > Things can be read together it is sufficient to juxtapose these
>> passages
>> > > taken from each of them:
>> > >
>> > > "All around conceptual thought there remains an indistinct fringe which
>> > > recalls its origin."
>> > >
>> > > "that space which is, for thought, on the otherside, but in which it
>> > never
>> > > ceased to think from the very beginning."
>> > >
>> > > All the best.
>> > >
>> > > "I think it’s important to have a small number of authors with whom
>> > > one thinks, with whom one works, but on whom one does not write."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- On Fri, 1/10/10, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > From: Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Primary works
>> > > > To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > Received: Friday, 1 October, 2010, 5:39 AM
>> > > > Is Bergson really necessary in terms
>> > > > of Foucault's sources? What about
>> > > > The Normal and the Pathological by Georges Canguilhem? I'd
>> > > > also throw
>> > > > in anything by Gaston Bachelard. If you're interested, you
>> > > > could also
>> > > > read Paul Feyeraband. He's not a Foucauldian but he was
>> > > > contemparaneous, was influenced by Bachelard, and dealt
>> > > > with parallel
>> > > > issues.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:17 AM, michael bibby <
>> shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > I can do the opposite Zulfiqar: rather than provide
>> > > > you with secondary material on the Order of Things (no doubt
>> > > > your aware of the problems such 'commentary' poses, given
>> > > > the treatment which 'commentary' receives there), I can
>> > > > provide you with one of the source materials for this book,
>> > > > one of those books which Foucault seems to have been working
>> > > > closely with and writing his own alongside, and that is
>> > > > Henry Bergson's Creative Evolution, writen in 1907 and
>> > > > canonical for two generations of European scholars before it
>> > > > fell into relative obscurity. Another book worth taking a
>> > > > look at in this connection is Oswald Spengler's Decline of
>> > > > the West, writen in 1918 and enjoying a similiar popularity
>> > > > before the war.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > All the best.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> From: Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > >> Subject: [Foucault-L] secondary works
>> > > > >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > >> Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 5:30 PM
>> > > > >> I have recently finished my Ph. D.
>> > > > >> work on Foucault in relation to Marx. I
>> > > > >> am looking for major critiques on the issue of
>> > > > *epistme
>> > > > >> *and on the major
>> > > > >> argument of The Order of Things. I request all of
>> > > > you to
>> > > > >> kindly identify the
>> > > > >> books or articles in this regard.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Zulfiqar Ali
>> > > > >> Pakistan
>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > > > >> Foucault-L mailing list
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Chetan Vemuri
>> > > > West Des Moines, IA
>> > > > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> > > > (319)-512-9318
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want
>> > > > to change the world"
>> > > >
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Foucault-L mailing list
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Foucault-L mailing list
>> >
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West Des Moines, IA
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(319)-512-9318
"You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the world"
impact of Bergson on Foucault.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Teresa Mayne <teresa.mayne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I don't think that you can so easily discount Bergson's influence on
> Foucault, but there is one easy solution to this. Instead of going back and
> forth wondering if Foucault was influenced by him in In The Order of Things,
> what would happen if you just placed them in conversation with eachother
> now? (Read closely and between the lines; read method and structure. If
> nothing else Foucault seems to enjoy playing different roles, it is worth
> looking closer at his masks). See what you end up with and how that changes
> your perspective on the other - you may find something that you weren't
> expecting, which is the point after all in regards to better understanding
> someone's perspective.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Teresa
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Jeffrey Tallane <linactuel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Hello
>> I really don't think Bergson was a source material for the order of things.
>> Certainly there can't be anything in common between Bergson and Foucault,
>> particularly regarding the order of things where the conceptions of history
>> and time is in total contradiction with a bergsonian perspective. Rather
>> for
>> sourcers you should look at Georges Dumézil, Martin Heidegger, Borges...
>>
>> Jeffrey Tallane
>>
>> 2010/10/6 Allen Miller <pamiller@xxxxxx>
>>
>> > Thanks, that's really useful.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:13 PM, michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Perhaps to give an indication of how Creative Evolution and The Order
>> of
>> > > Things can be read together it is sufficient to juxtapose these
>> passages
>> > > taken from each of them:
>> > >
>> > > "All around conceptual thought there remains an indistinct fringe which
>> > > recalls its origin."
>> > >
>> > > "that space which is, for thought, on the otherside, but in which it
>> > never
>> > > ceased to think from the very beginning."
>> > >
>> > > All the best.
>> > >
>> > > "I think it’s important to have a small number of authors with whom
>> > > one thinks, with whom one works, but on whom one does not write."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- On Fri, 1/10/10, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > From: Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Primary works
>> > > > To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > Received: Friday, 1 October, 2010, 5:39 AM
>> > > > Is Bergson really necessary in terms
>> > > > of Foucault's sources? What about
>> > > > The Normal and the Pathological by Georges Canguilhem? I'd
>> > > > also throw
>> > > > in anything by Gaston Bachelard. If you're interested, you
>> > > > could also
>> > > > read Paul Feyeraband. He's not a Foucauldian but he was
>> > > > contemparaneous, was influenced by Bachelard, and dealt
>> > > > with parallel
>> > > > issues.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:17 AM, michael bibby <
>> shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > I can do the opposite Zulfiqar: rather than provide
>> > > > you with secondary material on the Order of Things (no doubt
>> > > > your aware of the problems such 'commentary' poses, given
>> > > > the treatment which 'commentary' receives there), I can
>> > > > provide you with one of the source materials for this book,
>> > > > one of those books which Foucault seems to have been working
>> > > > closely with and writing his own alongside, and that is
>> > > > Henry Bergson's Creative Evolution, writen in 1907 and
>> > > > canonical for two generations of European scholars before it
>> > > > fell into relative obscurity. Another book worth taking a
>> > > > look at in this connection is Oswald Spengler's Decline of
>> > > > the West, writen in 1918 and enjoying a similiar popularity
>> > > > before the war.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > All the best.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> From: Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > >> Subject: [Foucault-L] secondary works
>> > > > >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > >> Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 5:30 PM
>> > > > >> I have recently finished my Ph. D.
>> > > > >> work on Foucault in relation to Marx. I
>> > > > >> am looking for major critiques on the issue of
>> > > > *epistme
>> > > > >> *and on the major
>> > > > >> argument of The Order of Things. I request all of
>> > > > you to
>> > > > >> kindly identify the
>> > > > >> books or articles in this regard.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Zulfiqar Ali
>> > > > >> Pakistan
>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > > > >> Foucault-L mailing list
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Chetan Vemuri
>> > > > West Des Moines, IA
>> > > > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> > > > (319)-512-9318
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> > > > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want
>> > > > to change the world"
>> > > >
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Foucault-L mailing list
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Foucault-L mailing list
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Foucault-L mailing list
>
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West Des Moines, IA
aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
(319)-512-9318
"You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the world"