The most connection I can draw is that Deleuze and Foucault mutually
informed each other during their early phases, and Bergson was a
strong influence on Deleuze.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Chetan Vemuri
<aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> That says more about overlap in ideas than it does about any possible
> impact of Bergson on Foucault.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Teresa Mayne <teresa.mayne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I don't think that you can so easily discount Bergson's influence on
>> Foucault, but there is one easy solution to this. Instead of going back and
>> forth wondering if Foucault was influenced by him in In The Order of Things,
>> what would happen if you just placed them in conversation with eachother
>> now? (Read closely and between the lines; read method and structure. If
>> nothing else Foucault seems to enjoy playing different roles, it is worth
>> looking closer at his masks). See what you end up with and how that changes
>> your perspective on the other - you may find something that you weren't
>> expecting, which is the point after all in regards to better understanding
>> someone's perspective.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Teresa
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Jeffrey Tallane <linactuel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>> I really don't think Bergson was a source material for the order of things.
>>> Certainly there can't be anything in common between Bergson and Foucault,
>>> particularly regarding the order of things where the conceptions of history
>>> and time is in total contradiction with a bergsonian perspective. Rather
>>> for
>>> sourcers you should look at Georges Dumézil, Martin Heidegger, Borges...
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Tallane
>>>
>>> 2010/10/6 Allen Miller <pamiller@xxxxxx>
>>>
>>> > Thanks, that's really useful.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:13 PM, michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Perhaps to give an indication of how Creative Evolution and The Order
>>> of
>>> > > Things can be read together it is sufficient to juxtapose these
>>> passages
>>> > > taken from each of them:
>>> > >
>>> > > "All around conceptual thought there remains an indistinct fringe which
>>> > > recalls its origin."
>>> > >
>>> > > "that space which is, for thought, on the otherside, but in which it
>>> > never
>>> > > ceased to think from the very beginning."
>>> > >
>>> > > All the best.
>>> > >
>>> > > "I think it’s important to have a small number of authors with whom
>>> > > one thinks, with whom one works, but on whom one does not write."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --- On Fri, 1/10/10, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > From: Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Primary works
>>> > > > To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > Received: Friday, 1 October, 2010, 5:39 AM
>>> > > > Is Bergson really necessary in terms
>>> > > > of Foucault's sources? What about
>>> > > > The Normal and the Pathological by Georges Canguilhem? I'd
>>> > > > also throw
>>> > > > in anything by Gaston Bachelard. If you're interested, you
>>> > > > could also
>>> > > > read Paul Feyeraband. He's not a Foucauldian but he was
>>> > > > contemparaneous, was influenced by Bachelard, and dealt
>>> > > > with parallel
>>> > > > issues.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:17 AM, michael bibby <
>>> shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > I can do the opposite Zulfiqar: rather than provide
>>> > > > you with secondary material on the Order of Things (no doubt
>>> > > > your aware of the problems such 'commentary' poses, given
>>> > > > the treatment which 'commentary' receives there), I can
>>> > > > provide you with one of the source materials for this book,
>>> > > > one of those books which Foucault seems to have been working
>>> > > > closely with and writing his own alongside, and that is
>>> > > > Henry Bergson's Creative Evolution, writen in 1907 and
>>> > > > canonical for two generations of European scholars before it
>>> > > > fell into relative obscurity. Another book worth taking a
>>> > > > look at in this connection is Oswald Spengler's Decline of
>>> > > > the West, writen in 1918 and enjoying a similiar popularity
>>> > > > before the war.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > All the best.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >> From: Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > >> Subject: [Foucault-L] secondary works
>>> > > > >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > > >> Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 5:30 PM
>>> > > > >> I have recently finished my Ph. D.
>>> > > > >> work on Foucault in relation to Marx. I
>>> > > > >> am looking for major critiques on the issue of
>>> > > > *epistme
>>> > > > >> *and on the major
>>> > > > >> argument of The Order of Things. I request all of
>>> > > > you to
>>> > > > >> kindly identify the
>>> > > > >> books or articles in this regard.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Zulfiqar Ali
>>> > > > >> Pakistan
>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
>>> > > > >> Foucault-L mailing list
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Chetan Vemuri
>>> > > > West Des Moines, IA
>>> > > > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > > > (319)-512-9318
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want
>>> > > > to change the world"
>>> > > >
>>> > > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chetan Vemuri
> West Des Moines, IA
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> (319)-512-9318
> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the world"
>
--
Chetan Vemuri
West Des Moines, IA
aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
(319)-512-9318
"You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the world"
informed each other during their early phases, and Bergson was a
strong influence on Deleuze.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Chetan Vemuri
<aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> That says more about overlap in ideas than it does about any possible
> impact of Bergson on Foucault.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Teresa Mayne <teresa.mayne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I don't think that you can so easily discount Bergson's influence on
>> Foucault, but there is one easy solution to this. Instead of going back and
>> forth wondering if Foucault was influenced by him in In The Order of Things,
>> what would happen if you just placed them in conversation with eachother
>> now? (Read closely and between the lines; read method and structure. If
>> nothing else Foucault seems to enjoy playing different roles, it is worth
>> looking closer at his masks). See what you end up with and how that changes
>> your perspective on the other - you may find something that you weren't
>> expecting, which is the point after all in regards to better understanding
>> someone's perspective.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Teresa
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Jeffrey Tallane <linactuel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>> I really don't think Bergson was a source material for the order of things.
>>> Certainly there can't be anything in common between Bergson and Foucault,
>>> particularly regarding the order of things where the conceptions of history
>>> and time is in total contradiction with a bergsonian perspective. Rather
>>> for
>>> sourcers you should look at Georges Dumézil, Martin Heidegger, Borges...
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Tallane
>>>
>>> 2010/10/6 Allen Miller <pamiller@xxxxxx>
>>>
>>> > Thanks, that's really useful.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:13 PM, michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Perhaps to give an indication of how Creative Evolution and The Order
>>> of
>>> > > Things can be read together it is sufficient to juxtapose these
>>> passages
>>> > > taken from each of them:
>>> > >
>>> > > "All around conceptual thought there remains an indistinct fringe which
>>> > > recalls its origin."
>>> > >
>>> > > "that space which is, for thought, on the otherside, but in which it
>>> > never
>>> > > ceased to think from the very beginning."
>>> > >
>>> > > All the best.
>>> > >
>>> > > "I think it’s important to have a small number of authors with whom
>>> > > one thinks, with whom one works, but on whom one does not write."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --- On Fri, 1/10/10, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > From: Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Primary works
>>> > > > To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > Received: Friday, 1 October, 2010, 5:39 AM
>>> > > > Is Bergson really necessary in terms
>>> > > > of Foucault's sources? What about
>>> > > > The Normal and the Pathological by Georges Canguilhem? I'd
>>> > > > also throw
>>> > > > in anything by Gaston Bachelard. If you're interested, you
>>> > > > could also
>>> > > > read Paul Feyeraband. He's not a Foucauldian but he was
>>> > > > contemparaneous, was influenced by Bachelard, and dealt
>>> > > > with parallel
>>> > > > issues.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:17 AM, michael bibby <
>>> shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > I can do the opposite Zulfiqar: rather than provide
>>> > > > you with secondary material on the Order of Things (no doubt
>>> > > > your aware of the problems such 'commentary' poses, given
>>> > > > the treatment which 'commentary' receives there), I can
>>> > > > provide you with one of the source materials for this book,
>>> > > > one of those books which Foucault seems to have been working
>>> > > > closely with and writing his own alongside, and that is
>>> > > > Henry Bergson's Creative Evolution, writen in 1907 and
>>> > > > canonical for two generations of European scholars before it
>>> > > > fell into relative obscurity. Another book worth taking a
>>> > > > look at in this connection is Oswald Spengler's Decline of
>>> > > > the West, writen in 1918 and enjoying a similiar popularity
>>> > > > before the war.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > All the best.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >> From: Zulfiqar Ali Philosophy <zali@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > > >> Subject: [Foucault-L] secondary works
>>> > > > >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > > >> Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 5:30 PM
>>> > > > >> I have recently finished my Ph. D.
>>> > > > >> work on Foucault in relation to Marx. I
>>> > > > >> am looking for major critiques on the issue of
>>> > > > *epistme
>>> > > > >> *and on the major
>>> > > > >> argument of The Order of Things. I request all of
>>> > > > you to
>>> > > > >> kindly identify the
>>> > > > >> books or articles in this regard.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Zulfiqar Ali
>>> > > > >> Pakistan
>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
>>> > > > >> Foucault-L mailing list
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Chetan Vemuri
>>> > > > West Des Moines, IA
>>> > > > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > > > (319)-512-9318
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (319)-512-9318
>>> > end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>> > > > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want
>>> > > > to change the world"
>>> > > >
>>> > > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Foucault-L mailing list
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chetan Vemuri
> West Des Moines, IA
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> (319)-512-9318
> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the world"
>
--
Chetan Vemuri
West Des Moines, IA
aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
(319)-512-9318
"You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the world"