Yes. Thanks for that clarification. Present imperative is correct. No
English speaker would hear the words as infinitives.
ari@xxxxxxxx wrote:
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ari@xxxxxxxx wrote:
I interpret the verbs as being in the imperative tense.
The verbs in 'Discipline and Punish' are both infinitives, not present
tense
verbs. English has two infinitive forms, with and without 'to'; words
like
'can', 'must', etc require the bare infinitive as it is called, otherwise
the 'infinitive without 'to''. So from the grammatical point of view we
could have had 'Survey and Punish', though of course there are objections
to
'survey' on other grounds, as various people have already pointed out.
Tim
On 8/5/09 11:33 PM, "David Shumway" <shumway@xxxxxxx> wrote:
The English translation is DISCIPLINE AND PUNISH, not "punishment."--
Both terms are verbs, but not infinitives as are those in the French
title. There is no exact equivalent to "Surveiller" in English; it does
not mean surveillance in the usual sense of that word in English.
Moreover a title that used the exact cognates, "To survey and to
punish," would neither be clear nor catchy. Thus the choice of present
tense verbs, for which again, "survey" does not work. Finally, one could
argue that the English title actually better reflects the focus of the
book because "discipline" is a more important concept there than is
surveillance.
David
Tamir Sorek wrote:
Hello,
Does anyone can help me to solve the following puzzle: Why did Michel
Foucault ask to translate the title of his book "Surveiller Et Punir"
to
"Discipline and Punishment" in English, instead of "Surveillance and
Punishment"? Did he think that his French title was misunderstood?
Thank you in advance for your help,
Tamir Sorek
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The University of Melbourne
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