Re: [Foucault-L] Surveiller Et Punir translation

[David Shumway <shumway@xxxxxxx>]

Yes. Thanks for that clarification.  Present imperative is correct.  No 
English speaker would hear the words as infinitives.

ari@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> I interpret the verbs as being in the imperative tense.
>
>   
> > The verbs in 'Discipline and Punish' are both infinitives, not present
> > tense
> > verbs.  English has two infinitive forms, with and without 'to'; words
> > like
> > 'can', 'must', etc require the bare infinitive as it is called, otherwise
> > the 'infinitive without 'to''.  So from the grammatical point of view we
> > could have had 'Survey and Punish', though of course there are objections
> > to
> > 'survey' on other grounds, as various people have already pointed out.
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On 8/5/09 11:33 PM, "David Shumway" <shumway@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >     
> > > The English translation is DISCIPLINE AND PUNISH, not "punishment."
> > > Both terms are verbs, but not infinitives as are those in the French
> > > title.  There is no exact equivalent to "Surveiller" in English; it does
> > > not mean surveillance in the usual sense of that word in English.
> > > Moreover a title that used the exact cognates, "To survey and to
> > > punish," would neither be clear nor catchy. Thus the choice of present
> > > tense verbs, for which again, "survey" does not work. Finally, one could
> > > argue that the English title actually better reflects the focus of the
> > > book because "discipline" is a more important concept there than is
> > > surveillance.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > Tamir Sorek wrote:
> > >       
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone can help me to solve the following puzzle: Why did Michel
> > > > Foucault ask to translate the title of his book "Surveiller Et Punir"
> > > > to
> > > > "Discipline and Punishment" in English, instead of "Surveillance and
> > > > Punishment"? Did he think that his French title was misunderstood?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you in advance for your help,
> > > >
> > > > Tamir Sorek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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