hi Kevin,
I think you're incorrect in changing "rather" to "more than" -- Foucault is
drawing on Leroi-Gourhan's notion of program here (see e.g. Stiegler's
extensive reading of L-G in Technics and Time 1) -- The ordinance indeed
defines (not is defined by) the "collective and obligatory rhythm" that
constitutes its program-ness. Foucault's point seems to me to be that the
ordinance produces or subjugates subjects at a deeper, ontogenetic level
than thinking of it as a mere time-table would allow. Or, in Deleuzian
terms, we could say Foucault is interested as much in the real virtual and
incorporeal effects of the ordinance as in the corporeal actualizations that
it conditions.
good luck,
R
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> i'm having problems with a passage from D&P which doesn't make sense.
>
> the passage is on page 151-2, and reads as follows:
>
> What the ordinance of 1766 defines is not a time-table – the general
> framework for an activity; it is rather a collective and obligatory rhythm,
> imposed from the outside; it is a “programme;” it assures the elaboration of
> the act itself; it controls its development and its stages from the inside
> (DP: 151-2).
>
> the original French reads:
>
> Ce que définit l'ordonnance de 1766, ce n'est pas un emploi du temps —
> cadre général pour une activité; c'est plus qu'un rythme collectif et
> obligatoire, imposé de l'extérieur; c'est un «programme»; il assure
> l'élaboration de l'acte lui-même; il contrôle de l'intérieur son déroulement
> et ses phases (SP : 153).
>
> would this be a better translation?
>
> What defines the ordinance of 1766, is not a timetable – the general
> framework for an activity; it is more than a collective and obligatory
> rhythm, imposed from outside; it is a “programme;” it assures the
> elaboration of the act itself; it controls from the interior its unfolding
> and its phases.
>
> regards,
> kevin.
>
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I think you're incorrect in changing "rather" to "more than" -- Foucault is
drawing on Leroi-Gourhan's notion of program here (see e.g. Stiegler's
extensive reading of L-G in Technics and Time 1) -- The ordinance indeed
defines (not is defined by) the "collective and obligatory rhythm" that
constitutes its program-ness. Foucault's point seems to me to be that the
ordinance produces or subjugates subjects at a deeper, ontogenetic level
than thinking of it as a mere time-table would allow. Or, in Deleuzian
terms, we could say Foucault is interested as much in the real virtual and
incorporeal effects of the ordinance as in the corporeal actualizations that
it conditions.
good luck,
R
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> i'm having problems with a passage from D&P which doesn't make sense.
>
> the passage is on page 151-2, and reads as follows:
>
> What the ordinance of 1766 defines is not a time-table – the general
> framework for an activity; it is rather a collective and obligatory rhythm,
> imposed from the outside; it is a “programme;” it assures the elaboration of
> the act itself; it controls its development and its stages from the inside
> (DP: 151-2).
>
> the original French reads:
>
> Ce que définit l'ordonnance de 1766, ce n'est pas un emploi du temps —
> cadre général pour une activité; c'est plus qu'un rythme collectif et
> obligatoire, imposé de l'extérieur; c'est un «programme»; il assure
> l'élaboration de l'acte lui-même; il contrôle de l'intérieur son déroulement
> et ses phases (SP : 153).
>
> would this be a better translation?
>
> What defines the ordinance of 1766, is not a timetable – the general
> framework for an activity; it is more than a collective and obligatory
> rhythm, imposed from outside; it is a “programme;” it assures the
> elaboration of the act itself; it controls from the interior its unfolding
> and its phases.
>
> regards,
> kevin.
>
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