*How does one engage a fruitful comparison
between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
just restating what the other said.*
Why would you want to?
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <a.e.leeds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'll speak to that last sentence. Just off the cuff, Durkheim and
> Foucault are both neo-Kantian historicists: they look for culturally-
> and historically-bound a prioris. And, even more to the point, these a
> prioris of thought are crucial to their respective explanations of
> social cohesion. Lastly, Durkheim is a reasonable choice for an origin
> for French rationalist historicism, of which tradition Foucault is
> generally thought to be a recent epigone.
>
> --
> Adam E. Leeds
> Ph.D. Candidate
> Department of Anthropology
> University of Pennsylvania
> 914.980.2970
> leeds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > What I meant was Giddens theory of agency which seeks to examine how
> > humans are constrained to a degree by their society yet possess agency
> > to effect social change. How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> > just restating what the other said.
> > A friend of mine actually voiced his opinion that Foucault was not all
> > that original in his intellectual impetus due to the fact that
> > Durkheim and Weber were doing the same thing. While I recognize a
> > connection with Weber (in spite of their differences) I don't really
> > see how Durkheim's project is even similar to Foucault's unless if
> > they're both considered part of the broad realm of "social science".
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Nathaniel Roberts <npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> Interesting questions, Chetan, as always. But what do you mean by
> >> "non-duality of power"? And who are the readers who conflate Durkheim's
> >> sociology with Foucault's notion of power?
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is anyone on here familiar much with the work of Anthony Giddens and
> >>> Emile Durkheim?
> >>> Some readers tend to conflate Durkheim's sociology and Giddens theory
> >>> of agency with Foucault's notion of fluid power and think that all are
> >>> somehow related. While there are similarities, I would think Giddens
> >>> criticizes aspects of Durkheim's positivist doctrine (or form what I
> >>> know of his work) and that Foucault is interested in non-duality of
> >>> power as opposed to Giddens more limited goal of challenging the
> >>> society (nurture) vs free human agency dichotomy.
> >>> Have you read much of either Giddens or Durkheim? Do you think they're
> >>> necessarily doing the same thing as Foucault? I know Foucault
> >>> recognized an ancestor in Max Weber, but he rarely mentions Durkheim.
> >>> Though that didn't stop Camille Paglia from twisting him into a
> >>> Durkheim copycat.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Chetan Vemuri
> >>> West Des Moines, IA
> >>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> (319)-512-9318
> >>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
> the
> >>> world"
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> University of Pennsylvania
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> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chetan Vemuri
> > West Des Moines, IA
> > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> > (319)-512-9318
> > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
> world"
> >
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between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
just restating what the other said.*
Why would you want to?
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <a.e.leeds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'll speak to that last sentence. Just off the cuff, Durkheim and
> Foucault are both neo-Kantian historicists: they look for culturally-
> and historically-bound a prioris. And, even more to the point, these a
> prioris of thought are crucial to their respective explanations of
> social cohesion. Lastly, Durkheim is a reasonable choice for an origin
> for French rationalist historicism, of which tradition Foucault is
> generally thought to be a recent epigone.
>
> --
> Adam E. Leeds
> Ph.D. Candidate
> Department of Anthropology
> University of Pennsylvania
> 914.980.2970
> leeds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > What I meant was Giddens theory of agency which seeks to examine how
> > humans are constrained to a degree by their society yet possess agency
> > to effect social change. How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> > just restating what the other said.
> > A friend of mine actually voiced his opinion that Foucault was not all
> > that original in his intellectual impetus due to the fact that
> > Durkheim and Weber were doing the same thing. While I recognize a
> > connection with Weber (in spite of their differences) I don't really
> > see how Durkheim's project is even similar to Foucault's unless if
> > they're both considered part of the broad realm of "social science".
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Nathaniel Roberts <npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> Interesting questions, Chetan, as always. But what do you mean by
> >> "non-duality of power"? And who are the readers who conflate Durkheim's
> >> sociology with Foucault's notion of power?
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is anyone on here familiar much with the work of Anthony Giddens and
> >>> Emile Durkheim?
> >>> Some readers tend to conflate Durkheim's sociology and Giddens theory
> >>> of agency with Foucault's notion of fluid power and think that all are
> >>> somehow related. While there are similarities, I would think Giddens
> >>> criticizes aspects of Durkheim's positivist doctrine (or form what I
> >>> know of his work) and that Foucault is interested in non-duality of
> >>> power as opposed to Giddens more limited goal of challenging the
> >>> society (nurture) vs free human agency dichotomy.
> >>> Have you read much of either Giddens or Durkheim? Do you think they're
> >>> necessarily doing the same thing as Foucault? I know Foucault
> >>> recognized an ancestor in Max Weber, but he rarely mentions Durkheim.
> >>> Though that didn't stop Camille Paglia from twisting him into a
> >>> Durkheim copycat.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Chetan Vemuri
> >>> West Des Moines, IA
> >>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> (319)-512-9318
> >>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
> the
> >>> world"
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nathaniel Roberts
> >> Visiting Scholar
> >> Department of South Asia Studies
> >> University of Pennsylvania
> >> 820 Williams Hall, 255 S. 36th Street
> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104
> >> USA
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chetan Vemuri
> > West Des Moines, IA
> > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> > (319)-512-9318
> > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
> world"
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
>
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