Interesting to see overlapping ideas within theoretical traditions, I guess?
Have you read him? Giddens that is
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:37 AM, peter chamberlain <natakimd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> *How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> just restating what the other said.*
>
> Why would you want to?
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <a.e.leeds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I'll speak to that last sentence. Just off the cuff, Durkheim and
>> Foucault are both neo-Kantian historicists: they look for culturally-
>> and historically-bound a prioris. And, even more to the point, these a
>> prioris of thought are crucial to their respective explanations of
>> social cohesion. Lastly, Durkheim is a reasonable choice for an origin
>> for French rationalist historicism, of which tradition Foucault is
>> generally thought to be a recent epigone.
>>
>> --
>> Adam E. Leeds
>> Ph.D. Candidate
>> Department of Anthropology
>> University of Pennsylvania
>> 914.980.2970
>> leeds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > What I meant was Giddens theory of agency which seeks to examine how
>> > humans are constrained to a degree by their society yet possess agency
>> > to effect social change. How does one engage a fruitful comparison
>> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
>> > just restating what the other said.
>> > A friend of mine actually voiced his opinion that Foucault was not all
>> > that original in his intellectual impetus due to the fact that
>> > Durkheim and Weber were doing the same thing. While I recognize a
>> > connection with Weber (in spite of their differences) I don't really
>> > see how Durkheim's project is even similar to Foucault's unless if
>> > they're both considered part of the broad realm of "social science".
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Nathaniel Roberts <npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >> Interesting questions, Chetan, as always. But what do you mean by
>> >> "non-duality of power"? And who are the readers who conflate Durkheim's
>> >> sociology with Foucault's notion of power?
>> >>
>> >> Nate
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Is anyone on here familiar much with the work of Anthony Giddens and
>> >>> Emile Durkheim?
>> >>> Some readers tend to conflate Durkheim's sociology and Giddens theory
>> >>> of agency with Foucault's notion of fluid power and think that all are
>> >>> somehow related. While there are similarities, I would think Giddens
>> >>> criticizes aspects of Durkheim's positivist doctrine (or form what I
>> >>> know of his work) and that Foucault is interested in non-duality of
>> >>> power as opposed to Giddens more limited goal of challenging the
>> >>> society (nurture) vs free human agency dichotomy.
>> >>> Have you read much of either Giddens or Durkheim? Do you think they're
>> >>> necessarily doing the same thing as Foucault? I know Foucault
>> >>> recognized an ancestor in Max Weber, but he rarely mentions Durkheim.
>> >>> Though that didn't stop Camille Paglia from twisting him into a
>> >>> Durkheim copycat.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Chetan Vemuri
>> >>> West Des Moines, IA
>> >>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>> (319)-512-9318
>> >>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
>> the
>> >>> world"
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> Visiting Scholar
>> >> Department of South Asia Studies
>> >> University of Pennsylvania
>> >> 820 Williams Hall, 255 S. 36th Street
>> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104
>> >> USA
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Chetan Vemuri
>> > West Des Moines, IA
>> > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> > (319)-512-9318
>> > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
>> world"
>> >
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>> >
>>
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Have you read him? Giddens that is
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:37 AM, peter chamberlain <natakimd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> *How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> just restating what the other said.*
>
> Why would you want to?
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <a.e.leeds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I'll speak to that last sentence. Just off the cuff, Durkheim and
>> Foucault are both neo-Kantian historicists: they look for culturally-
>> and historically-bound a prioris. And, even more to the point, these a
>> prioris of thought are crucial to their respective explanations of
>> social cohesion. Lastly, Durkheim is a reasonable choice for an origin
>> for French rationalist historicism, of which tradition Foucault is
>> generally thought to be a recent epigone.
>>
>> --
>> Adam E. Leeds
>> Ph.D. Candidate
>> Department of Anthropology
>> University of Pennsylvania
>> 914.980.2970
>> leeds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > What I meant was Giddens theory of agency which seeks to examine how
>> > humans are constrained to a degree by their society yet possess agency
>> > to effect social change. How does one engage a fruitful comparison
>> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
>> > just restating what the other said.
>> > A friend of mine actually voiced his opinion that Foucault was not all
>> > that original in his intellectual impetus due to the fact that
>> > Durkheim and Weber were doing the same thing. While I recognize a
>> > connection with Weber (in spite of their differences) I don't really
>> > see how Durkheim's project is even similar to Foucault's unless if
>> > they're both considered part of the broad realm of "social science".
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Nathaniel Roberts <npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >> Interesting questions, Chetan, as always. But what do you mean by
>> >> "non-duality of power"? And who are the readers who conflate Durkheim's
>> >> sociology with Foucault's notion of power?
>> >>
>> >> Nate
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Is anyone on here familiar much with the work of Anthony Giddens and
>> >>> Emile Durkheim?
>> >>> Some readers tend to conflate Durkheim's sociology and Giddens theory
>> >>> of agency with Foucault's notion of fluid power and think that all are
>> >>> somehow related. While there are similarities, I would think Giddens
>> >>> criticizes aspects of Durkheim's positivist doctrine (or form what I
>> >>> know of his work) and that Foucault is interested in non-duality of
>> >>> power as opposed to Giddens more limited goal of challenging the
>> >>> society (nurture) vs free human agency dichotomy.
>> >>> Have you read much of either Giddens or Durkheim? Do you think they're
>> >>> necessarily doing the same thing as Foucault? I know Foucault
>> >>> recognized an ancestor in Max Weber, but he rarely mentions Durkheim.
>> >>> Though that didn't stop Camille Paglia from twisting him into a
>> >>> Durkheim copycat.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Chetan Vemuri
>> >>> West Des Moines, IA
>> >>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>> (319)-512-9318
>> >>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
>> the
>> >>> world"
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Nathaniel Roberts
>> >> Visiting Scholar
>> >> Department of South Asia Studies
>> >> University of Pennsylvania
>> >> 820 Williams Hall, 255 S. 36th Street
>> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104
>> >> USA
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Foucault-L mailing list
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Chetan Vemuri
>> > West Des Moines, IA
>> > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> > (319)-512-9318
>> > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
>> world"
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Foucault-L mailing list
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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West Des Moines, IA
aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
(319)-512-9318
"You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the world"