a little, and listened to his 5 part series on the BBC - runaway world.
personally i find him a little too 'optimistic'.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Interesting to see overlapping ideas within theoretical traditions, I
> guess?
> Have you read him? Giddens that is
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:37 AM, peter chamberlain <natakimd@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > *How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> > just restating what the other said.*
> >
> > Why would you want to?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <a.e.leeds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll speak to that last sentence. Just off the cuff, Durkheim and
> >> Foucault are both neo-Kantian historicists: they look for culturally-
> >> and historically-bound a prioris. And, even more to the point, these a
> >> prioris of thought are crucial to their respective explanations of
> >> social cohesion. Lastly, Durkheim is a reasonable choice for an origin
> >> for French rationalist historicism, of which tradition Foucault is
> >> generally thought to be a recent epigone.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Adam E. Leeds
> >> Ph.D. Candidate
> >> Department of Anthropology
> >> University of Pennsylvania
> >> 914.980.2970
> >> leeds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> > What I meant was Giddens theory of agency which seeks to examine how
> >> > humans are constrained to a degree by their society yet possess agency
> >> > to effect social change. How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> >> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> >> > just restating what the other said.
> >> > A friend of mine actually voiced his opinion that Foucault was not all
> >> > that original in his intellectual impetus due to the fact that
> >> > Durkheim and Weber were doing the same thing. While I recognize a
> >> > connection with Weber (in spite of their differences) I don't really
> >> > see how Durkheim's project is even similar to Foucault's unless if
> >> > they're both considered part of the broad realm of "social science".
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Nathaniel Roberts <npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Interesting questions, Chetan, as always. But what do you mean by
> >> >> "non-duality of power"? And who are the readers who conflate
> Durkheim's
> >> >> sociology with Foucault's notion of power?
> >> >>
> >> >> Nate
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
> >> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Is anyone on here familiar much with the work of Anthony Giddens and
> >> >>> Emile Durkheim?
> >> >>> Some readers tend to conflate Durkheim's sociology and Giddens
> theory
> >> >>> of agency with Foucault's notion of fluid power and think that all
> are
> >> >>> somehow related. While there are similarities, I would think Giddens
> >> >>> criticizes aspects of Durkheim's positivist doctrine (or form what I
> >> >>> know of his work) and that Foucault is interested in non-duality of
> >> >>> power as opposed to Giddens more limited goal of challenging the
> >> >>> society (nurture) vs free human agency dichotomy.
> >> >>> Have you read much of either Giddens or Durkheim? Do you think
> they're
> >> >>> necessarily doing the same thing as Foucault? I know Foucault
> >> >>> recognized an ancestor in Max Weber, but he rarely mentions
> Durkheim.
> >> >>> Though that didn't stop Camille Paglia from twisting him into a
> >> >>> Durkheim copycat.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Chetan Vemuri
> >> >>> West Des Moines, IA
> >> >>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> (319)-512-9318
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> >> the
> >> >>> world"
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> >> >>
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> >> >> University of Pennsylvania
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> >> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104
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> >> > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >> > (319)-512-9318
> >> > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
> the
> >> world"
> >> >
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> Chetan Vemuri
> West Des Moines, IA
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
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personally i find him a little too 'optimistic'.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Interesting to see overlapping ideas within theoretical traditions, I
> guess?
> Have you read him? Giddens that is
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:37 AM, peter chamberlain <natakimd@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > *How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> > just restating what the other said.*
> >
> > Why would you want to?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <a.e.leeds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll speak to that last sentence. Just off the cuff, Durkheim and
> >> Foucault are both neo-Kantian historicists: they look for culturally-
> >> and historically-bound a prioris. And, even more to the point, these a
> >> prioris of thought are crucial to their respective explanations of
> >> social cohesion. Lastly, Durkheim is a reasonable choice for an origin
> >> for French rationalist historicism, of which tradition Foucault is
> >> generally thought to be a recent epigone.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Adam E. Leeds
> >> Ph.D. Candidate
> >> Department of Anthropology
> >> University of Pennsylvania
> >> 914.980.2970
> >> leeds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> > What I meant was Giddens theory of agency which seeks to examine how
> >> > humans are constrained to a degree by their society yet possess agency
> >> > to effect social change. How does one engage a fruitful comparison
> >> > between Foucault and Giddens without saying one copied the other or is
> >> > just restating what the other said.
> >> > A friend of mine actually voiced his opinion that Foucault was not all
> >> > that original in his intellectual impetus due to the fact that
> >> > Durkheim and Weber were doing the same thing. While I recognize a
> >> > connection with Weber (in spite of their differences) I don't really
> >> > see how Durkheim's project is even similar to Foucault's unless if
> >> > they're both considered part of the broad realm of "social science".
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Nathaniel Roberts <npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Interesting questions, Chetan, as always. But what do you mean by
> >> >> "non-duality of power"? And who are the readers who conflate
> Durkheim's
> >> >> sociology with Foucault's notion of power?
> >> >>
> >> >> Nate
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Chetan Vemuri <
> >> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Is anyone on here familiar much with the work of Anthony Giddens and
> >> >>> Emile Durkheim?
> >> >>> Some readers tend to conflate Durkheim's sociology and Giddens
> theory
> >> >>> of agency with Foucault's notion of fluid power and think that all
> are
> >> >>> somehow related. While there are similarities, I would think Giddens
> >> >>> criticizes aspects of Durkheim's positivist doctrine (or form what I
> >> >>> know of his work) and that Foucault is interested in non-duality of
> >> >>> power as opposed to Giddens more limited goal of challenging the
> >> >>> society (nurture) vs free human agency dichotomy.
> >> >>> Have you read much of either Giddens or Durkheim? Do you think
> they're
> >> >>> necessarily doing the same thing as Foucault? I know Foucault
> >> >>> recognized an ancestor in Max Weber, but he rarely mentions
> Durkheim.
> >> >>> Though that didn't stop Camille Paglia from twisting him into a
> >> >>> Durkheim copycat.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Chetan Vemuri
> >> >>> West Des Moines, IA
> >> >>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> (319)-512-9318
> >> >>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
> >> the
> >> >>> world"
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Nathaniel Roberts
> >> >> Visiting Scholar
> >> >> Department of South Asia Studies
> >> >> University of Pennsylvania
> >> >> 820 Williams Hall, 255 S. 36th Street
> >> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104
> >> >> USA
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Chetan Vemuri
> >> > West Des Moines, IA
> >> > aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> >> > (319)-512-9318
> >> > "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
> the
> >> world"
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chetan Vemuri
> West Des Moines, IA
> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
> (319)-512-9318
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> world"
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